I have had such a great experience with Vantage Point!! From day 1, anyone I’ve dealt with has been kind, pleasant, knowledgeable and very helpful!! My most recent coach, Joe Ayala, has taught me s... Voir plus
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Artificial Intelligence trading software that can help you spot future trends in the market with up to 87.4% accuracy.
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Highly recommend VantagePoint!
I have been a user of VantagePoint software for 4 years now. The AI/predictive capabilities and intermarket analysis are unsurpassed by any other trading software available IMO. The software is intuitive and can be utilized by newcomers as well as seasoned traders. My returns have increased and stabilized with less stress and even less time “on the charts”. The IntelliScan feature allows custom scans that sift through markets in seconds. There IS a learning curve but the support and training are designed to get the software utilized and profitable trades available even to those who are less experienced.
I have been thoroughly satisfied with my VantagePoint software and highly recommend it to traders looking for an edge in their investing and trading.
(I am not employed or compensated by VP)
20 janvier 2025
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We're grateful to have you in the VantagePoint Family these past four years and look forward to many more. We’re also thrilled to hear how our A.I. and patented intermarket analysis have made such a positive impact on your trading.
It’s especially rewarding to know the software has helped you increase your returns while reducing your stress and expended energy.
The IntelliScan feature is indeed a game-changer, and we’re delighted to see you’ve made it an integral part of your trading process.
It’s true that mastering any powerful tool can take a little time, but we’re glad to hear our coaches, instructors, and world-class support team have helped make that journey productive for you.
Thank you for highly recommending VantagePoint to other traders and for sharing your experience in such detail. Wishing you continued success in your trading!
Shorten learning curve to trade
Shorten learning curve to trade. See potential to improve life balance and reduce screen time.
Software can do a great deal of the leg work and facilitate finding setups.
20 janvier 2025
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Thank you for sharing your positive experience! We’re delighted to hear VantagePoint is helping make your trading more efficient.
Reducing screen time and giving you more time back is one of the key benefits we aim to provide, and it’s fantastic to know our A.I. is delivering on that promise for you. We strive to empower traders daily so you can focus on what matters most, making informed decisions and achieving your goals.
Thank you for being part of the VantagePoint Family, and we look forward to continuing to support you!
A wide range of trading resources and support
I have been with Vantage Point for over 2 years and it feels like being part of a family. Vantage Point offers great software to help you with your trading decisions and they offer unlimited educational classes a long with private coaching. The coaches are knowledgeable, smart, and care about the clients they serve. They have classes on tape, video libraries and live training sessions with professional traders. You can learn about stocks, ETF's, Options, Forex, and Futures. If you are a novice trader or experienced trader, you will find value in the software and classes that will help you along your journey to enhance your trading proficiency. VP is also a company that gives back to help out in the community they serve supporting many local agencies that help others.
19 janvier 2025
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We deeply appreciate your thoughtful and glowing review, Susan! We’re honored to hear your journey with VantagePoint has felt like being part of a family — that’s exactly the kind of supportive and caring feeling we strive for, and why we refer to you and others as VantagePoint Family Members.
It’s wonderful to know you’re finding value not just in the artificial intelligence software, but also in the broad range of educational resources we offer, from VantagePoint University to Live Training Room sessions, to our VPU Vault and on-demand classes. Our team of VantagePoint University education counselors, coaches, and instructors work hard every day to ensure traders of all experience levels can grow their trading skills and confidence.
We’re also deeply grateful for your acknowledgment of our charitable partnerships. Giving back and supporting both local and national organizations is a core part of our mission, and it means the world to know it resonates with you.
Thank you for being a member of the VantagePoint Family! We’re excited to continue supporting you on your trading journey and look forward to helping you achieve even greater success.
Online class experience.
All the online classes I attend are very informative and give excellent ideas in the use of the Vantage Point software. VP instructors are very knowledgeable and always willing to answer questions pertaining to the software. Would like to see more on how to use the software in options trading.
15 janvier 2025
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Thank you so much for your candid and positive feedback! We’re thrilled to hear you’re finding the VantagePoint University classes both informative and helpful in maximizing your trading. Our instructors take great pride in sharing their expertise and ensuring every question is answered accurately and thoroughly.
Options are an exciting area where VantagePoint’s A.I. can provide significant advantages, and we have even more Options sessions on the horizon. So, stay tuned, there’s more to come!
Thank you for being a valued member of the VantagePoint Family!
Looking at the bag as well as good
On January 13, 2025 I attended a webinar for vantage point was excited to see more about it was hoping that they would show some real time. Data wasn’t expecting anything current but at least maybe something a week a month old so I could see the AI in action I followed along using my phone and my trading platform to take a look at what they were showing most of it was only a week old, but the graph and candlesticks did not align with what I saw on my phone sorry I was skeptical after the webinar proceeded to check it out further found this site looked at the good and the bad reviews. A lot of people talk about pushy shells people if the system is good you don’t need anybody to push it for sales. It’s like a restaurant that shows up in town if the food is good , the place is gonna be packed will get around that they have the best food in town. My opinion is they may have some good points, but I don’t think it’s worth it.
13 janvier 2025
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Thank you for sharing your feedback. We appreciate the time you took to attend our complimentary live class on the markets. However, we'd like to clarify a few points to ensure your concerns are addressed accurately.
It appears your review is based on a mix of personal observations during the live webinar and conclusions drawn from extremely selective samplings, rather than firsthand experience with the software. We encourage anyone interested in understanding the value of VantagePoint to take advantage of our free one-on-one market forecasting sessions. This personalized experience allows you to ask specific questions, see the A.I. in action, and compare the software’s insights to your preferred trading tools in real time. Our team would have been happy to help clarify whatever you may have been seeing on your mobile device versus charts, and verify what you're seeing is either accurate or inaccurate, during a personalized session.
Finally, we firmly believe in having dedicated A.I. representatives help potential VantagePoint Family Members understand the complexities and unique capabilities of VantagePoint. Trading can be a significant investment, and we want to ensure individuals have all the information needed to make informed decisions.
We'd love the opportunity to connect again and provide you with a more comprehensive experience, and perhaps you'd reconsider this rating. Please reach out to schedule your free personalized forecasting session. We’re confident it will help address any skepticism and provide a clearer picture of what VantagePoint can do for both you and your trading. We wish you success!
total scam
total scam. the AI stuff is just marketing. only end of day data which you have to pay 30 bucks per month. no intraday analysis capabilities.
the best part is this: they do not allow you to transfer your license which you payed for life...
3 janvier 2024
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At VantagePoint, we take all reviews seriously and value the opportunity to address concerns directly. We want to clarify some of the points you raised.
Proven AI Technology: Our A.I.-powered software uses dual-patented technology to forecast market trends with up to 87.4% proven accuracy. This is based on analyzing global intermarket relationships, not just marketing claims. We were the first company in the world to bring A.I. to independent traders, going all the way back to 1991. Over 40,000 traders have used VantagePoint to make more informed decisions and improve their outcomes.
Intraday Trading: VantagePoint is primarily designed for swing and position traders, utilizing data to provide predictive forecasts 1 - 3 days in advance. This strategic approach aligns with our mission to empower traders with actionable insights, but we also have many day traders who take advantage of our price range predications and other market forecasting data.
License Policy: Our lifetime license model offers exceptional value, granting you perpetual access to the software. As with most software licenses, it is non-transferable to protect the integrity of the product and our other VantagePoint Family Members.
Monthly Data Fee: The monthly data fee you mentioned covers acquisition of high-quality, up-to-date data essential for our forecasts. This is a standard practice across the industry.
We're committed to transparency and excellence. If you’d like to discuss your concerns further or reconsider your opinions and join the VantagePoint Family, as you are not currently a VantagePoint user, our world-class Support Team is here to assist you. Please reach us at 1-800-732-5407.
No test drives, not inexpensive and not for every investor
VP is for the investor who can understand the market; it's terminology, mechanics, it's not for the novice. I don't think one has to be computer savvy. But you have to like computer work. As a small business owner who uses business bookkeeping programs, VP isn't tap a button for results. The success I had with paper trades gave me confidence to explore real trades were I took a substantial loses. VP offers assistance in coaching with a personal trainer, live online as well a$ weekend training at VP home base. There is a monthly fee to keep using the software. I haven't given up on VP, but I don't have the time to sit on my computer to not understand how to be successful. I've gone back to my old strategy and I'm up 75% in the last three months after losing 50% in the two years I've owned, well partnered with VP. You don't own VP if you can't sell it.
29 novembre 2023
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Réponse de VantagePoint Software
Thank you for sharing your experience. We've attempted to reach out and offer additional trainings and assistance a number of times, but we have not yet heard back. We're still here to support you, should you choose. We do appreciate feedback and would like to clarify a few points.
VantagePoint is designed for traders looking to enhance their market analysis and strategies with the power of A.I.-driven forecasts. While it does require a basic understanding of market principles, our goal is to support traders of all experience levels through personalized coaching, live training sessions, and ongoing education to help them get the most from the software.
Unlike traditional 'trial' software, VantagePoint is a specialized A.I. forecasting tool that provides dual-patented and proprietary insights. To ensure traders understand its full potential, we do offer live demonstrations and educational sessions before any investment. And after investment, we provide numerous opportunities with coaches and live sessions to continue education and familiarity, and provide unlimited access to our Learning Center.
You’re absolutely right — VantagePoint isn’t an "autopilot" system. It provides highly accurate forecasts, but like any trading tool, it works best when combined with sound trading strategies and risk management. Many VantagePoint Family Members find leveraging both the 1-on-1 coaching and group training resources we provide to be most helpful.
However, we understand every trader has unique needs, and our team is always here to help if you decide to revisit how VantagePoint can complement your approach.
If you’d like additional guidance on how to better integrate A.I.-driven forecasts into your trading, please don’t hesitate to reach out. We truly appreciate you being part of the VantagePoint Family and are here to support you.
A Painful Sales Experience and Overhyped Claims
I recently attended a webinar for VantagePoint's trading software, and what followed was one of the most frustrating sales experiences I’ve ever encountered. After the webinar, I received two back-to-back calls from sales representatives who used cliché and irritating sales tactics like, “What would you do with all the trading profits you'll make with the system?” It felt incredibly pushy and unprofessional.
I had to reschedule for work reasons, but the next day was no better. I joined a Teams presentation on the software, and it turned out to be just as bad, if not worse. The rep spent most of the time making obnoxious, overblown claims about the software’s accuracy while pushing overpriced packages. When I politely explained I had to leave for work, the rep turned aggressive, insisting I choose a package on the spot. I reiterated that I wanted time to think it over, but he wouldn’t let it go. When I thanked him for the presentation, he snapped at me, claiming I “obviously didn’t appreciate the presentation” because I didn’t purchase anything immediately. This was completely out of line, and I ended the call right then and there.
Being skeptical, I decided to dig into their claims, particularly their so-called "Independent Third-party Accuracy Study of VantagePoint." For context, I hold a Ph.D. in business with a minor in applied statistics, so I know how to evaluate accuracy claims critically. Here’s what I found:
#### Directional Matches for Typical Price Predictions:
- For Apple Inc., the directional match accuracy of VantagePoint’s predictions was 64.71%, compared to 60.00% for a naive model.
- This is a meager improvement of just 4.71%, far from the groundbreaking performance their sales team claims. Accuracy improves with the use of their set of proprietary indicators (which you will have to purchase and which were mentioned during their initial sales pitch).
#### Trade-offs in Signed Forecasts:
- While VantagePoint reduces directional bias slightly, the standard deviation of errors (e.g., 2.37 vs. 2.47 for Apple) shows little improvement. For a system touted as revolutionary, these gains are unimpressive.
#### Challenges with Volatile Markets:
- In highly volatile scenarios, like Shopify or REX, their so-called Neural Index accuracy dipped to as low as 57.48%, barely outperforming random guessing.
#### Disappointing Short-Term Crossover Performance:
- The short-term crossover success rate for VantagePoint predictions was 63.11%, only 5.46% better than a simple standard crossover system (57.65%).
- When additional filters (like the Neural Index) were applied, the success rate increased only slightly, to 64.14%, a marginal 1.03% gain.
- Notably, the naive model outperformed VantagePoint in 16% of cases, with some markets showing differences of up to 11.6% in favor of the naive model.
#### Additional Warning:
The pricing is absurd. Packages start at $2,900 for just a single sector (out of 16). If you want all equity sectors, you’re looking at over $10,000. And that’s not all—VantagePoint’s accuracy report mentions “proprietary indicators,” but you will likely have to purchase these separately after the initial investment! Expect some aggressive upsell sales techniques once you're on the hook.
I also did some digging on forums and found troubling accounts from former sales employees. They confirmed that reps are heavily incentivized to pressure customers into giving their credit card numbers upfront, only to upsell additional products later. This is the only way to come even close to the accuracy claims advertised.
No trial? No problem? Think again. You’ll have only 14 days to cancel your purchase—no trial is offered at all. If this doesn’t scream “sketchy,” I don’t know what does.
In short, VantagePoint’s software offers, on average, minimal improvements over basic prediction models while being paired with an overpriced and aggressive sales pitch. The entire experience left me frustrated, insulted, and skeptical. If you’re considering this software, I strongly recommend you take their claims with a grain of salt and do your own thorough research before spending a dime (>$10K for any reasonable assortment of equities).
14 novembre 2024
Calling all Traders
Traders, I have been at this for well over 30 years. It's only the last 10 that I have taken things into my own hands. In an effort to improve my results, I have donated lots of money learning the hard way as well as spend a Kings Ransome on the many programs that are out there. Recently I stumbled upon Vantage Point AI predictive software. It has the power to use the many years of stored information in it's data base to look ahead and predict 1-3 days in advance as to what you can expect a Stock, Commodity, Forex etc. to do with 87% proven accuracy! True story. They have many indicators that let you know what to expect in advance. They don't just sell you the software. Weekly, you connect with your Trading Coach. He takes control of your computer and explains exactly how to read and use the different indicators to come up with a good idea of exactly what you can expect to happen. Don't spend another Dollar on any programs until you have watched the Vantage Point AI free video. You will be glad that you did.
john in NJ
3 novembre 2024
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Thank you so much for your candid review! We’re honored to be a part of your trading journey, especially given your vast experience. It’s great to hear our patented and predictive A.I. software and exclusive indicators have been valuable tools in helping you navigate the markets with greater confidence.
The entire VantagePoint Team is dedicated to providing the support and coaching you need to succeed, and we’re thrilled it’s making a difference for you.
Thank you again for your trust in us, thank you for being a VantagePoint Family Member, and here’s to your continued success in trading!
They go the extra MILE To help the customer--**Priceless**
I've had issues seeing consistency in this software UNTIL NOW--I've been getting some incredible one on one training so things are all starting to come together.
I will update this review showing actually results as my learning proceeds.
Software is expensive but that is relative--If it makes you money its a deal at double the price--Stay Tune
Needed help to add charts to my laptop promptly answered call and took care of via remote support quickly Impressive operation
30 mars 2024
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We’re committed to supporting your journey to success, and we’re glad to know that our team has had the chance to connect with you. We look forward to working together and hearing from you again.
Please don’t hesitate to reach out as you continue to dive into your training — we’re here to help and ensure you get the most from VantagePoint.
One thing I can say about vantage point…
One thing I can say about vantage point is they do what they say they're going to do. They are extremely honest.
Wes
27 septembre 2024
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Réponse de VantagePoint Software
Thank you, Wes! We truly appreciate your kind words. Integrity is one of our company core values, so we're glad to hear that it reflects in your experience with us. We're honored to have earned your trust!
Don't give up. Ask Vantage Point for help
I purchased Vantage Point Software in late 2017 and have been too busy to take the time to focus and learn how to interpret the valuable information it gives. I would get frustrated and set it aside. Even after purchasing several trainings and watching Vantage Point University webinars. It wasn't until one of their sales associates, Fernando Bonilla contacted me in June, that I began to ask myself, "why not", why am I struggling to get it.
Fernando took the time to give me a few pointers, very patiently, I might add and it motivated me to take the time to apply myself. It is only recent. So, I don't have a long list of consistent trades to look back on yet, but I will say that I see how, after all this time, I can gain the confidence to trade options and stay in the trade to make it profitable for me instead of playing "Whack a mole" as before. It will take time , but I am beginning to see daylight. Thank you so much for all your help and patience.
14 août 2024
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Thank you for sharing your journey with us! We're so glad to hear that Fernando's guidance helped reignite your motivation to fully utilize VantagePoint's predictive artificial intelligence in your trading. It’s fantastic to know you're now seeing the potential and gaining confidence. We understand that learning takes time, and we’re here to support you every step of the way. Don't ever hesitate to reach out if you need assistance, and thank you for being a loyal VantagePoint Family Member. Keep at it, and we’re excited to see your continued progress!
VantagePoint is a one of kind business
VantagePoint is a one of kind business. From day 1 of purchasing the software, vantagepoint has been there every step of the way. From loading the software to your computer to the one-on-one coaching that comes with your software package. This company cares about the product that they deliver and truly care about the success of their customers. The money I have spent has been worth every penny!! I highly recommend them; you will not be disappointed!
29 juillet 2024
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Thank you for being a VantagePoint Family Member and for your glowing review! We're delighted to know our world-class dedicated support and personalized coaching have made a positive impact on you.
It's wonderful to hear our commitment to offering unique, powerful, and patented A.I. and also to helping traders succeed have both been evident from day one.
Your recommendation is greatly appreciated, and we’re thrilled to hear this feedback!
Best Software out there
The software is cutting edge and the support is the greatest 150% Everything at the latest summit was far beyond my expectations if your considering Vantage point get the free demonstration you'll be impressed especially if you're a seasoned trader even a beginner I highly recommend
12 juillet 2024
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Thank you for your fantastic feedback! We're thrilled to hear VantagePoint's artificial intelligence and our world-class Support Team both exceed your expectations. And we're delighted to know you found the latest VantagePoint University Live Trader Summit exceptional.
Thank you for spreading the word to both seasoned and beginner traders about our free market forecasts and complimentary demonstrations.
We're grateful to have you as a VantagePoint Family Member. Your high recommendation means the world to us!
A Eureka Experience
I’ve dumped a lot of money into education and tools over the past ten years, and VantagePoint AI sits at the top of the few that have yielded the results I had hoped for.
My journey, as a retail trader, began with options, with which I was able to achieve a level of proficiency that I would describe as a “Mexican stand-off” with the market makers. Futures are a completely different animal, for a whole raft of reasons, and, with them, I have been able to “marry” VantagePoint AI forecast data with an auto-assisted trading script, which I run in intraday trading on the NinjaTrader platform.
Lots of water under the bridge and over the dam for me over the past 10 years, but, with VantagePoint AI, I’ve finally found true comfort in what works best for me, from both a trading style and a lifestyle standpoint. It is, in a word, indispensable.
23 juillet 2024
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Thank you so much for your detailed and positive review! We're thrilled to hear VantagePoint's A.I. has been the answer you were looking for and a standout in your journey as an independent trader.
It's wonderful to know VantagePoint has helped deliver the results and comfort you were seeking in both your trading style and lifestyle.
Your kind words and high praise mean a lot to us, and we're honored to be considered indispensable. We agree! Thank you for being a VantagePoint Family Member, we appreciate and value you as well.
At first I bought a package and began…
At first I bought a package and began working with a guy to learn the software. that wound up being a sales pitch so I asked for a refund. I was put in touch with Linsey and she extended my time to get refund and asked that I work with her weekly until that time. She was very good to work with, to teach me the software, answer questions and simply help in any way possible. I have found that anyone I have spoken with has been professional and very nice. If not for Linsey I would have gotten a refund. Since working with her I have begun to better understand the product and how and when to get in on options contracts. I am averaging a little over $400 a day just working about 2 hours in the morning and checking in the afternoon.
15 juillet 2024
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Réponse de VantagePoint Software
Thank you for sharing your experience. We're so glad to hear Linsey was able to turn your initial concerns into a positive experience and it's wonderful to know her support and teaching have helped. We take pride in our professional, world-class team, and it's great to know this has been your experience with everyone at Vantagepoint A.I. Your success and satisfaction are our TOP priorities and we're thrilled to hear about those positive results you're achieving. Thank you for being a valued member of the VantagePoint Family. If there is anything else we can ever help with, do not hesitate to reach out. Here's to your continued success!
A very well organized company
A very well organized company. When you call them about any problems, they are there to help. They care and want you to succeed. I have been with them a couple of years and I’m making money. They have live webinars just about everyday to teach you how to use the software.
12 juillet 2024
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Thank you for your fantastic review! We're delighted to hear you find Vantagepoint A.I. exceptionally organized and that our team has been there to assist you whenever needed. It's great to know you feel supported and that our efforts to help you succeed have made a positive impact on your strategies and results. We're also glad you've found value in our live webinars and that you're repeatedly experiencing success with VantagePoint. Your continued satisfaction and trading success mean the world to us. Thank you for being a member of the VantagePoint Family!
Positive Feedback / Interaction
Whenever I need to discuss any issues / concerns VantagePoint employees - no matter at what level - are there to help. The employees all seem to understand the meaning of working as a team. It has been evident to me that providing a quality service (no matter the issue) - and the willingness to assist has been present since day one and at every contact point that I have experienced. A well run organization.
18 juin 2024
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Réponse de VantagePoint Software
Thank you so much for your wonderful review! We're thrilled to hear the VantagePoint Team has been consistently supportive and helpful whenever you've needed to discuss any issues or concerns. Teamwork is one of our Core Values and we work hard to provide world-class quality service and support. It's gratifying to know this has been your experience with us from day one. Your kind words mean a lot to us and motivate us to continue delivering excellence and to Empower Traders Daily. Thank you for being a VantagePoint Family Member!
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Thank you for sharing your positive experience, Terrence! We're delighted to hear that you've had a good experience with us. Your feedback is greatly appreciated, and we're here to ensure your continued success. If you ever need any assistance or have any questions, please don't hesitate to reach out. We're grateful to have you as a valued member of the VantagePoint Family!
I just wanted to say this organization…
I just wanted to say this organization is fantastic. I have been working with Linsey and she is awesome. She takes the time and answers all my questions no matter how insignificant they maybe. This organization actually cares that you are successful using their software. I highly recommend.
3 mai 2024
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Thank you so much for taking the time to share your positive experience and success using VantagePoint with us! We're thrilled to hear you've had a fantastic experience working with Linsey and that our team has been able to provide you with the support you need.
Our goal is to treat each VantagePoint Member like family, and we're happy to hear we've succeeded!
We truly value you and are dedicated to ensuring your success with our A.I. market forecasting software. Your feedback reaffirms our commitment to providing excellent service and support to all traders using VantagePoint.
We appreciate your recommendation and are here to assist you every step of the way. If you have any further questions or need additional assistance, please don't hesitate to reach out.
Thank you for choosing VantagePoint!
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